Tell her to submit... that always works!

 

Wake the Faith up Slayer… This is Garth Heckman with the David Alliance and you can reach me at

TDAgiantslayer@gmail.com 

 

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Using “DO YOU BELIVE WOMEN SHOULD PREACH - BECAUSE PAUL SAYS THEY SHOULDN’T! 

 

First of all we were discussing or even debating a totally different topic… and she came at me with this. Now I believe what she meant to ask me was do I believe women should be senior pastors… and I do not… why? I just don’t see it clearly in scripture… that is not to say women can’t be pastors, or evangelists, or prophets or worship leaders  or teachers etc… In fact we see these positions filled by women in scripture. My question is this: What does Paul mean when he says women should be silent in the church.

Lets look at the actual verse. 

 

1 Cor. 14:34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

GK: (gynaikes) (sigatōsan) (en) (tais) (ekklēsiais) (autais)

(epitrepetai) (lalein) (alla) (hypotassesthōsan) (kathōs) (ho) (nomos) (legei)

 

Why read it in the greek? Because it is very telling. Paul uses a word for speak in the greek… 

speak: Gk Lahleo - speak or talk

In all other places when Paul is talking about Preaching he uses the word: euaggelizó

So Paul is not stating that women should not preach nor that they should not have places of ministry in the church…

the woman who threw this out was actually using it as a Red Herring - this is one of the 21 flaws in debates.. and we are going to cover these in the next few days…

THIS IS A RED HERRING (ONE OF THE 21 FALLACIES USED IN DEBATE OR ARGUMENTS) 

12. Red herring A red herring is an emotionally charged issue brought up to divert attention from the subjec

 

But still why Did paul say this?

First rule in hermeneutics is to understand the context… and then we will look at the word Submission.

the context is Corinth was a city that had the temple of Diana which offered 6000 prostitutes as priests… and your worship involved sex with prostitutes that again were called priests… I bet most men did not miss church back in those days… right? 

So when many of these women came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ they flooded the churches and CAME from a situation where they were used to being in charge, speaking up and were not used to the formal understanding of how a church service was run… and along with all the other shenanigans that were going on in the church - and it was messed up! Paul was trying to restore order in church so people could worship. Remember Jesus with the whip in the temple… it was not so much that they were selling animals, it was that they kept the non jews from having a place to worship. 

So paul says you must submit…. hypotassesthōsan

This word is not a harsh word like sit, stay, shake hands… you know like you wold use with your dog. It simply means abide by the guidelines that are expected of you. Look you must Submit at the convenience store- there are certain guidelines that the clerk must abide by, there are certain guidelines you must abide by… it is the simple understanding of protocol. So Paul says this… Women please abide by the rules or the protocol of the pastor so that we can maintain an atmosphere of worship and teaching. 

so what’s today about Garth? Simply put, are you creating an atmosphere wherever you are at that gives people the ability to worship. You might be out of line by your language, or you dress, or your attitude or even your spiritual lukewarmness. 

Be the person who creates an atmosphere of worship!